Buying a Classic VW Beetle? What to look for...

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Introduction

If you are a classic Volkswagen lover like I am, then chances are that you either own, or are looking to purchase one. The Volkswagen Beetle has been a favorite around the world for decades, and is one of the longest production cars in existence!

One of the primary items to consider when shopping for your Beetle is, are you looking for a car that you can drive right away, or a project. Another thing to consider if it will be a project is, how involved do you want to get and how much money are you willing to spend?

There are a plentiful amount of these great little cars still roaming around the world, many in great shape. Some, not in such great shape. You just need to weed out the 'Bad Apples'.

I will go over some key points of interest when shopping for your new 'Baby' and provide helpful links to give you the most information before you buy.

Driver or Project

 The first thing that you need to decide, is whether you want to buy a driver, that you can purchase, and not have to do much but maintenance or a project, that will need some TLC before it hits the open road.

Drivers of course will have a much higher starting price tag initially; however, you will need to check things over really well. This choice is more for those that are either not inclined to do body work, or mechanical repairs. Don't fret though, the Beetle is one of the EASIEST of cars to work on and there is a vast amount of information available to help you do so. I will discuss that later.

Buying a project can be a little tricky. But if you know what you are looking for, you can find yourself a very good deal. Projects vary in severity; from just needing an engine all the way to being a complete 'rust bucket'. Decide how much labor you are willing to put into the project, check the areas of interest as outlined below and go from there.

Prepare Yourself

When looking at a Beetle, take a few things with you, whether you are looking for a driver or a project, they will be very useful. A small awl or screwdriver; this will help you find the bad rust areas of the car. If you see a spot that looks bad, give it a poke. If it goes through, well, there will be some welding involved. Another thing that I like to keep handy, is a small magnet. This will help you discover an over abundance of body filler. The magnet that I use will not stick to metal that has much more than 1/8 inch of filler on top of it. Bring a small flashlight too. You'll need it to check out areas under the car. Lastly, bring a socket set, and a large cresent wrench. These are handy in the engine compartment.

You may also want to take along a battery, a small can of gasoline, some starting fluid and jumper cables. You would be surprised at how much these will become useful when looking at a car that has been sitting in the weeds for a few years.

Areas of Interest (RUST)

When you start looking the car over, pay special attention to several areas. Rust can hide in many places, and if you see a 'bubble', there is usually more rust to come. Here is a list of major areas to check:

1.) Heater Channels - This is one of the first places to rot out on a Beetle. Since the car is air cooled, heat must be transferred to the front of the car through the rocker panels just below the door. Since these are constantly moving hot air, condensation occurs during cool down. A prime area for rust to form. Look primarily above the jack support of the car and poke and prod if you can. Check all the way to the front.

2.) Quarter Panel Behind Side Rear Windows - When manufactured, Volkswagen put either a bag of filler material or expanding foam inside the quarter panel to reduce noise and also as a vapor barrier from the engine compartment to the passanger compartment. This filler or foam collected condensation and run-off water (Especially on 1970+ models with the small cresent vent behind the rear windows) Major evidence of rot will appear as bubbles in the paint. The larger the bubble, the larger the problem.

3.) Rear Package Tray - Just behind the back seat of a Beetle is the Package tray. Since the trunk is rather limited, this is extra storage for passanger items like luggage or groceries. You will need to be able to lift any covering that is on this area to inspect properly. If you can't lift the covering, the just apply pressure straight down onto it in as many places as possible. If you hear any 'Crunching' sounds or worse, if your hand goes through, then the tray will need replaced.

4.) Floor Pans - This is probably the most common repair area of Beetles. It's fairly easy to detect rot in any of these areas, but the most common is under the battery, which is under the rear seat. Also lift the floor mats if possible to check for more. Replacing the pans can be done in a weekend if necessary.

5.) Rear Cross Members - Under the back seat is the rear cross member, where the body is bolted to the chassis. The heater tubes from the engine compartment come through this area to feed the heater channels. This area will sometimes rot out from road dirt collecting on the underside and holding water. Rot here should be easy to detect but feel aroud the area behind the heater tube since it's not as easily visible.

6.) Fender Mounting Areas - All four fenders on a Beetle are bolted to the body, with a rubber strip seperating them from the body. This area likes to collect dirt and grime, and eventually, rust if not attended to. If rust is not evident on the surface of these areas, check inside each fender well with a flashlight.

7.) Spare Tire Well - The trunk seal can only do so much to keep water out of the trunk, and eventually they do go bad. Make sure that if there is a spare tire in the spare tire well; remove it and check for rust in the trough below it. Water will collect in this area and rot it out. *** Note that on a Super Beetle, the spare tire lays flat instead of being upright.

8.) Frame Head - The Beetle frame is a pretty interesting creature. It consists of a long 'beam' that runs down the center of the car, which is the bulk of the support for the suspension and drive train. At the front of that beam is the 'Frame Head' which is where the front suspension, or beam is bolted on. It's slightly triangular in shape and is directly below the gas tank. Usually you will see rot in the bottom of the frame head first.

9.) Firewall (front) - The panel that seperates the passanger compartment from the trunk sometimes rots out at the bottom. This is from moisture finding its way either through the heater channels or through the trunk and sitting in the bottom. This area is most easily seen by removing the gas tank, but can also be viewed from under the car. Rust usually starts in the bottom outside corners where it meets the heater channels.

10.) Strut Towers (Super Beetle Only) - Under the trunk lid, you will find the front strut towers. Found only on the Super Beetle model, these areas sometimes rot out causing the front suspension to be weakened. This area needs to be solid for the car to be safe. Replacement parts are available if it is rotted.

This covers most of the real rust problem areas on the Beetle. Please note that this information may vary a bit by year, but for a general guide, it is pretty accurate.

The Engine

 After sitting a few years, these cars can be a bit hard to start. The owner may tell you that the engine was rebuilt just before it was parked. This however doesn't necessarily mean that the engine is usable.

Visually inspect the engine to see that there are no apparent missing pieces. I looked at a Beetle once that the previous owner said was running just a few months before. When looking at the engine, the carbeurator was missing. I finally discovered that over time water condensation had gone down through the intake manifold and rusted one of the pistons to the cylinder.

Take a large wrench and try to turn the motor by hand. If it doesn't, then take out the spark plugs. If it still doesn't turn, the engine has some major issues.

Try and start it! If the engine turns freely, and it appears that all of the components are there, then go for it! This is why you brought the battery, gas, starting fluid and jumper cables!  You may just find that the engine runs fine.

After you get it started, check for smoke coming from the exhaust, or any odd noises. Knocking or heavy pinging noises are BAD.

Wiring

 The fuse block on a Beetle is located instide the trunk on the drivers side just in front of the stereo speaker (if it's still there). Check to make sure all of the wires are plugged onto the block. Also check to make sure there are no brittle wires or burned wires. Rewiring a Beete is a pretty involved project.

Closing

 Ok, so if all went well here, then you have a pretty good understaning of where to look on a Beetle for problems and how to detect them. Remember to never take anyones word that a vehicle is in great condition no matter how it looks. YOU be the judge.

I have a seperate HUB page with links and resources that will help you on your journey:

http://www.hubpages.com/hub/AirCooled-Volkswagen-Links

Please comment on this article to let me know if it was helpful to you as well as any additions that you think I should make.

Thanks for reading!!!

Buying a Classic VW Beetle? What to look for... by Eric Daniel Hartman is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.

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BristolBoy Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

A very comprehensive hub for people looking to buy a VW Beetle. Think in this area of the world people will prefer Camper Vans though!

marshall 2 years ago

nice article . hub check out my car tips at http://www.redhottipsforyou.com

Mollie 2 years ago

Thank you so much for writing a cool comprehensive and simple check list. I have wanted a beetle for ever and I am just getting serious about buying one.

So I really want to be informed.

This is a great introduction in looking for a beetle for me. Detailed enough so you actually could go and do these checks but not so detailed that you need to be a mechanic to understand it.

Deepan 23 months ago

Thanks

Very usefull comments

carl 22 months ago

hi is there any 1 out there that can help me i need to know all there is to no about the seat changes in the beetle i have 2 sets of covers both off a 1964 yet the vinyl was different and the pattern slightly different , we shall soon be selling vw beetle seat kits for the customer who prefers to have a go at fitting them selves before we offer them forsale we need to make sure we know which covers fit which years and wether there are more patterns out there that we need to get, if anyone knows this info or can direct us to a site that does we would very much apreciate hearing from you please email me carlmaddox@hotmail.co.uk

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mrpyramids1 20 months ago

there's many points that i didn't understand but However, i agree with you that this car was the favorite one for many decads and it's cheap too and the best thing of it , very easy to drive!

Mick 17 months ago

A great list. Am looking at buying a bug in the next month or so and this is the best checklist i have found on the net to date.

Going over this list also made me realise what a dog of a car I bought ten years ago. Mechanically it was good but it had rust in about half the places you mention. was a great, fun, cheap ride for a first car though. With many fond memories of it I am excited about being a 'dubber again. Will be taking you list with me when I go buying this time though!

Dee Parker 12 months ago

Hey enjoyed ur article - I have a 1968 VW Beetle love it have had somw issues not too grt though and do have some guys that can work on it and a manual that is my bible - my first car was a 1968 VW Beetle - baby blue - the car that I bought out of California on SAMBA.com had tiny bits of rust - bought from pics only very pleased - still have the interior to replace and a paint job - Dee

looker 12 months ago

I've been doing casual searches about classic beetles for a few days now, and yours is by far the most useful! Thank you!

10 months ago

Nice article. Very useful tips for first time buyers. I am hoping to get one soon.

Is there a website I could locate VW Classic beetle repair shop around Philly.

Matt 6 months ago

If there are large rust through spots on either side under the cresant shaped vents how hard is this to fix and could you give a ballpark estimate on how much it would cost to fix this. i have a 73 if that helps...

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eric2112 Hub Author 6 months ago

Matt,

The rust around the cresent vents can vary in severity. Sometimes they consume the outter panel an no more. Other times they may get into the under structure. Mine rotted inside and outside. Being on a tight budget, I decided to fabricate the patches myself and weld them in. this cost me under $50 to complete, however I spent alot of time doing it. You can see my progress at http://eric2112.blogspot.com. You can also find panel sections on http://www.thesamba.com for pretty cheap. Just remember to stick with the route that you are most comfortable with and all will be well. Hope this helps.

~E~

rick waters 6 months ago

i have found a 1972 marathon blue super it runs i drove it i can get it for 400.00 its in fair cond. is this a steal the vin 1122861958 it has the ten spoke lemmerts wheels and caps it was an a/c car the comp. is missing

rick waters 6 months ago

i sent a question several days ago i did not get a response i guess yall dont answer i live in shreveport la

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eric2112 Hub Author 6 months ago

Sorry for the laggy response Rick. Been quite busy with the day job lately. In regards to your 72 Marathon Blue Super, provided it's fairly solid, I think that this is a pretty decent find. Be especially sure to check the strut towers as I note above as well as the heater channels. If you are comfortable with any repairs that are needed, I would say go for it!

Thanks!

~E~

Herbie67 5 months ago

Need some help. I have a 72 Beetle my husband wants to sell. It has some rust spots on it, but runs great. It has 75590 miles on it. What would be a reasonable price to sell for?

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GregMilner 3 months ago

Cool Hub eric, I have my own hub too, it's very similar, perhaps a different approach!

http://gregmilner.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-buy-a-vo

helmi 2 months ago

hi i have a 1958 beetle original 2 owners engine redone complete 1100,rwc,icenced,only need light paint job,good running cond ,no accident car,no rust its in oudtshoorn klein karoo i want to sell it what must i ask,and who can i contact

lilabuck 2 months ago

hello-

i recently bought a 71 beetle and need to do some work on it like repainting it and some small changed to interior like a new seat belt. any suggestions to where i go to start? also, by restoring it, does it downgrade to value of beetle?

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eric2112 Hub Author 2 months ago

@Herbie67 - For pricing the sale of a 72 will depend on many things like geographic location of the car, how bad is the rust and where is it located? How original is the car? To get a decent idea of what these cars sell for, I would suggest checking out http://www.thesamba.com. This site is my bible when it comes to Beetles.

@helmi - I would also checking out the site listed above. It's very comprehensive and has vehicles for sale around the world. You may also consider listing the car in the classified on the site. Good luck!

@Lilabuck - Sounds like you have a very solid start with your 71. Presuming that is all the work it needs, then you have a very nice quick project there. Please check out the site that I listed earlier in this comment as it has been a great resource for me during my own build. Restoring your vehicle in most cases will only increase the value. There are some cases that you could decrease the value, however you would really have to botch things up.

My own restoration in progress: http://eric2112.blogspot.com

mick hurley 2 months ago

the mountain points under the back seat are pretty rusty on the passenger side, would it be best to avoid buying this car or is it worth the gamble as its only £500,

Alex 2 months ago

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eric2112 Hub Author 2 months ago

@mick hurley - depending on the amount of rust through, you may be able to repair this section can often be repaired without removing the body completely from the car. You would need access to a welder and of course the sheetmetal to repair the section. You would then unbolt the body and seperate it from the pan primarily over the rotted area. Cut it out and replace with the new metal. This could be done over a weekend if you are motivated. Once repaired, I would also recommend a heavy coating of Rust Bullet or POR-15 to prevent further damage.

Hope this helps!

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eric2112 Hub Author 2 months ago

@Alex - This translates to 'No Comment' correct?

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eric2112 Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Just a note... This Hub was copied by the website beetlebroker.com without my knowledge or consent. Please note that I am in no way affiliated with this company.

Thanks,

~E~

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